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From Building Batteries in Bomb Shelters to Tracking Your Stuff, The amazing Pebblebee Journey!
Daniel Daoura has an incredible story, from building batteries from old milk jugs in a Beirut bomb shelter with his grandfather, to developing satellite tracking systems for the military to tracking your stuff.
Wouldn't you like a little peace of mind, not worrying about where your stuff is? Stay tuned, because we are going to help you figure it out.
Hey everybody, this is Chris Brandt, here with another FUTR podcast.
We are talking with Daniel Daoura, Founder and CTO of Pebblebee which builds location tracking devices so you can keep track of you stuff. Daniel has an incredible story, from building batteries in a bomb shelter with his grandfather, to using satellites to track military assets, to creating multi-platform, eco friendly, consumer tracking devices. Let's dig into his story.
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Right after I finished this interview with Pebblebee, Daniel sent me some trackers for my trip to Malta, and I gotta say they really came in handy. Um, I had lost my wallet. I couldn't find it. I was racing to get on a ferry to go to Gozo, and I was faced with the prospect of spending the next 20 minutes looking for my wallet and missing that fairy. I used this Pebblebee card that I. Put in my wallet and I was instantly able to find my wallet and make that fairy. So came in really handy. Thank you Daniel. And onto the interview. We're talking with Daniel Daoura, founder and CTO of Pebblebee, which builds location tracking devices so that you can keep track of your stuff. Daniel has an incredible story from building batteries in a bomb shelter with his grandfather to using satellites to track military assets, to creating a multi-platform eco-friendly consumer tracking device. Let's dig into his story. Welcome, Daniel.
Daniel Dauora:Hey Chris. Uh, again? Yes. I'm Daniel Daoura, the founder of Pebblebee. Really excited to be on your podcast today.
Chris Brandt:That's awesome. And of course you're making me jealous by, you know, like sitting out in all that wonderful nature in the great Pacific Northwest. Um, it looks like, you know, just at talking about peace of mind.
Daniel Dauora:Yeah. Well you know when, when you live in the northwest and, and, and it's raining quite often here in Seattle, Washington, or suburbs of Seattle, when you get weather like this, you gotta take advantage of it cuz it's rare, you know? And we've been very fortunate over the last couple of years, I would say, where June and May. Typically are just raining every day. Every day. Yeah. You know, and, and now over the last couple years it's been beautiful. Really nice weather. And so taking advantage of it, you know.
Chris Brandt:Well, here's a little weird thing about me. I love the rain. I, I love misty and rainy days, so like, it could be, you know, perfect for me. But I, I'm not good with mold, so, you know, that's, that's the downside.
Daniel Dauora:You, well, and, and you know, honestly, I love the, the Four Seasons. Yeah. That's, that's the best part of the northwest because I'm a, an avid, uh, outdoors, uh, sports enthusiast, and I love skiing and, and the winter sports. And I love the, the, the summer sports, you know, on, on the water, water sports. And I, I love the hiking and backpacking and, and, and just all of that makes so much sense for me. In the northwest and uh, you know, as opposed to living somewhere where, where you got maybe two seasons, you know?
Chris Brandt:Yeah. Instead, and I gotta imagine with all those outdoor activities, you know, like being able to track everything is that it, it has a, has a real advantage. But before we get into all that, Um, a hundred percent. I wanna talk to you cuz you've, you've got just, I mentioned in the intro, you know, building batteries in a bomb shelter. I mean, you've got an incredible story to tell. Um, you, you grew up in, in Beirut, um, during times of war and you learned some of your electronics, uh, background with your grandfather in a bomb shelter.
Daniel Dauora:Right. That was my upbringing. Uh, so born and raised in Beirut, and, uh, it was a tough journey to say the least. Uh, with, with the war, you know, in, in Beirut, Lebanon, Beirut is, is again, it's, it's also depending on where you live in Beirut, you have. Four seasons, it snows over there. And so that's, that's where I kind of got, uh, introduced to, to snow sports. And, and, and within half an hour you drive down and you can go surfing, you know, in the, in the, uh, Mediterranean Ocean. Right. And, and it's just beautiful country. The food is amazing. I love the food, but it had, uh, yes, the food is, I'm biased, but it is the best in the world. It's really good. And, and, uh, the, the people are just so friendly and amazing. Yeah. And they all, they speak three languages, French, Arabic, and English. Uh, but there, there was definitely a very difficult time, uh, decades, I would say. Yeah. Uh, but I was, you know, up my upbringing through until I was about 13, uh, was in bomb shelters, you know, quite often, and I had to switch many schools and, and it was very difficult time. But essentially summarizing it, uh, when, when you're in a bomb shelter, there's no electricity. Quite often there's no electricity, right? And sometimes you'll get electricity once a week or maybe twice a week. You'll get some. And you have to then subscribe to generators, uh, and you have to have your own generator. But if you couldn't afford your own generator, you subscribe to like a neighborhood generator. Wow. And you have to pay for it once in a while, and you'll get maybe, maybe once a day, you get two or three hours a day. And we took the opportunity because when you're in a bomb shelter, you wanna understand what's happening out there. You wanna see. The landscape. You wanna understand, you know, who's fighting who and, and when is the war gonna end? Right? Right. And this was years in, in the making. So, but we couldn't have that opportunity if there's no electricity. So, uh, my grandfather, he used to be, uh, working on, uh, trains. And at the train, the train station, and he knew a little bit about electronics and he would work on all sorts of electronics. Uh, and so I learned from him and we, we started, uh, sort of brainstorming about how do we, how do we gener, how do we create a battery? Yeah. Because we didn't have the resources cause of the war and we couldn't go to a, you know, your Walmart to, to purchase the battery. You know, there wasn't any. So we, we, uh, uh, collected a whole bunch of milk jugs and. Uh, used an acidic solution, which is essentially citrus. I mean essentially lemon juice and, and vinegar, and, uh, an anode and a cathode with copper and zinc and, and put 'em in series. And we had, uh, a source of power to, to essentially power our tv. Wow. Of course, we had a converter. Et cetera. And so we, we were able to watch TV for, for 20 minutes, 10 min, 10 to 20 minutes, depending. It's just, it wasn't very dependable, but at least it got us interested. And, and seeing that how technology can improve lives, I, I, I kind of got hooked. And that's when, you know, we'd, we'd har we'd, uh, we'd go and, and find, uh, uh, cars, uh, that, that are just on the, on the streets that, that aren't being used. Cuz of the war and, and the bombing. And we reused the batteries from cars. Right? And then we also put 'em in Sears and recharge them. And, and we had this big cabinet full of batteries just for, you know, we're in the bomb shelter. And that, that kind of piqued my interest in technology and how you can add value in people's lives.
Chris Brandt:That, that's an incredible story, man. Like a, a, a lemon powered, uh, TV set.
Daniel Dauora:Yeah. Right. You know what, I should do it again just to bring some, some, some of the good memories. I mean, obviously a lot of it was bad, but you always strive to look for the good and, and yeah, there was always goodness in, in some of those situations when you're together as a family and you're just spending quality time with each other. I know there was a lot of fear and the, the whole, you know, ground was shaking, but we were together and it wasn't, you know, technology, there wasn't Instagram or, or. TikTok and all that kind of stuff. It was just, we were looking at each other and, and eating food together and I just remember very clearly how my grandma would always make me these special fries, french fries, you know, in, in the basement. And, and, and it's just the little things, you know. They, they, they add up to, to become really great things when, when, when you're in a bomb shelter, you know, trying to shelter yourself from bombs and, and shrapnels, you know, it's right. Insane.
Chris Brandt:Yeah. I mean, you know, sometimes it's the times of hardship where, you know, sometimes you do find those, that intensity of connection and that sort of, you have to, you have to really cherish those happy moments because you don't know how many you're gonna get.
Daniel Dauora:Yeah, absolutely. And you know, I guess through my upbringing with, in Lebanon, we, we had a small stint where we refugee into the US and that's how I kind of, it, it, you know, the US was mind blowing for me. Yeah. You know, in terms of opportunity, right. Uh, the, the land of opportunity. And I met with Costco. You know, like I, I just went into Costco and I was like, whoa, this is, you know, this is a little kid. I was 12 years old, you know, in a candy store basically. And I had about $60 and I invested all of it in candy and went back home, put it in my suitcase, went back home, and I became one of the. Most popular kids at school because I was selling the candy and I made profit, but they didn't know that. They were just like, just gimme more, you know, within two, three days. And that just got me hooked on, on business, right? I mean, how do you, how do you turn a dollar into $4? And, and just, uh, that, that journey, kind of the upgrading in Lebanon and really. Teaching you perseverance and persistence and not quitting no matter what. Always striving for, uh, uh, the best and, and doing it while being very ethical and doing the right thing by others. No matter what it is, uh, at the end of the day, you wanna make sure you left something good behind. Yeah. And so that's kind of been my sort of, uh, uh, ecosystem. And I moved to the US in, in, uh, I was probably about 19. Yeah. And went to electrical engineering and computer engineering. I had a bachelor and a master's in, in, uh, uh, uh, I had a bachelor in computer engineering and a master's in ma uh, electrical engineering. And my thesis there was about predicting, uh, traffic. Uh, satellite traffic for military asset tracking, uh, the, for the purposes of improving quality of service, right? And that experience has enabled me to basically build, uh, precise and reliable tracking solutions, not just for the military. When I worked at Boeing. Uh, and I did that for, uh, a decade essentially for, for tracking military assets. Uh, Worldwide, globally. Uh, it, it is also for consumer space. And, and of course I couldn't have done it without the, the a plus team that we have and, and the supporters and the laser focus on developing basically reliable, efficient products, uh, that consistently deliver to our customers.
Chris Brandt:That's, that's incredible. I, I mean, I, I know that like the idea for these consumer tracking devices kind of came out of your time. At Boeing while you were working on a lot of this stuff and, uh, your, your, your kids made off with your keys. Right. And that was Yeah.
Daniel Dauora:Couldn't find them. It was late to work and boom, you know, the idea came about.
Chris Brandt:Yeah. I think that's a common experience for a lot of parents.
Daniel Dauora:Yes. And that was back in 2011 slash 2012. I don't remember exactly. It was me and Nick that got together at work and we were late. And the idea came about where, okay, we need, we do this for, for a living, for, for Boeing, uh, for, for military. It's obviously very much different. We were experts at, at, uh, military data links, but this was different. This is more for consumer and we're like, this is a piece of cake. We could do this. And, but back then there wasn't no ble, you know, Bluetooth low energy. Yeah. It, it was, there's Bluetooth but not ble and, and it was just, and Bluetooth barely worked. Exactly. You know, I, I mean, it's still, in some cases it still barely works. Barely works, you know, so, so honestly, it, it, uh, it's, it was a struggle, but, but we loved it. We, we thrived on that challenge because of our upbringing and our background, and, and so we founded Pebblebee in 2013 with the vision of delivering peace of mind, you know, for important things in our modern lives, you know, whatever it is. Belongings, whether it's keys, backpack, et cetera, or pets, you know, and, and our mission was to be the global leader in sustainable key key point here. Sustainable, you know, uh, environmentally friendly iot tracking technology for consumers and enterprise. Yeah. And we created this universal tracking platform that would seamlessly work across all platforms as of today or even last year, uh, for all consumers. And our goal was to always address the limitations of digital tracking solutions and offer a product that works natively, uh, within your ecosystem, whether it's iOS, Android, or in the future. Something else.
Chris Brandt:You, you mentioned your, your co-founder Nick, and I know that Nick sort of, you know, unfortunately tragically passed away a few years ago. Um, I, I gotta imagine there's a lot of motivation there to, you know, build something amazing, you know, out of his memory.
Daniel Dauora:Yes. Tho those were probably not probably, uh, certainly the hardest moments of my life. Yeah. Uh, it was, uh, I mean, we were brothers, you know, we were, we were best friends. We, I saw Nick more than I saw my spouse and my kids. Yeah, that's how much, you know, we were connected. And it is a very rare opportunity to have a founder, a co-founder that you rarely ever had any, uh, any conflict with, you know, and if, if you did, it was only, uh, an hour or so, and then after that we're hugging and kissing. You know what I mean? It's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Just, just wonderful co-founder. That the, the personalities between us just really matched and, and we, we were a great team. And, uh, yeah, when, when that tragedy happened, it was, uh, it was the hardest moment of my life. It was an accident. It was while I was there and it happened in front of my eyes and it was very traumatic, and, and I remember very clearly the moments that this happened, and clearly the moments that ensued afterwards. I remember waking up. I mean, I, I couldn't sleep all night, but yeah. I mean, imagine bringing that news to the, his parents, right? And his kids. It's just, I can't imagine. I can imagine it was, I, I remember, you know, within half an hour I was like, I gotta call his parents. And I, I, I just, it was so hard. But, uh, the, the most, the, the, the experience was after I woke up in the morning, cuz I probably was abled cuz I took pills. I had to sleep, uh, maybe two, three hours and I woke up in the morning. And I just, you know, I was sitting on my bed and I looked outside and I, I was surprised to see the world continue to move. You know, I, I was looking at the trees and the trees were moving and life was still around. Yeah. And I just thought to myself like, wow, this, this is what happens every day. Every moment people pass away and. Life moves on and, you know, life around us continues and it was just eyeopening. I've never experienced that in my life and not that many people have experienced it either. Yeah. You know, and the trauma, you know, in the military when you go out, uh, you know, overseas and, and you go through war, you experience it all the time. Right. But most people here don't experience it every day. And it is mind, uh, you know, it's just mind opening, uh, to that experience. And it taught me something and it taught me. That, you know, all of my upbringing with being persistent and persevering through hardship, I was able to get through it, you know, because of that, right? And, uh, and, and it was just the next day I remember going to the office, talking to the team. Everyone was devastated, you know, and, and, uh, we, we, we worked together and we got through this journey, which was very, very difficult moment in, in my life. But look where we are today. You know, right. We're, we're, we're, we're way stronger than we've ever been. We've had largest sales. In the history of the company last month. And, and it's just, it's amazing to see what, what you could do when you're put your mind to it. And I couldn't have done it without the support of my wife and my family and my advisors and my investors and everyone else around me that's supporting me. Uh, and it's, there are some, some, uh, good feedback that I would give is that when our, when you have very difficult time where it's just. Too much to handle, right? All you can do is think about the next step. Don't think about the future. Think about the next step. Yeah. Oh, I gotta stand up. One day at a time. I was sitting down, I gotta stand up. Oh, now what do I do? I just put my front, you know, my right foot forward, and then my left foot forward. Just think about those things. Think about the immediate thing, step that you need to do right now. Don't think about the, and as you keep doing that, it just, you calm down and you can start thinking straight. And those were actually the words of my wife when I was having, you know, very difficult, uh, trippi and, and just thinking about what, what do I need to do next? And she's like, just put one step after the next. Don't think about and. Yes. Good advice.
Chris Brandt:Yeah. Listen to your wife. She's got some good advice there. Um, yeah, I mean that, that's, that has to have been so traumatic and, you know, like I, I admire, you know, like the level of perseverance you have, but I think that, you know, it's just another example of how, um, you know, tragedy can. Help bring people closer together and Yeah. You know, really, really give you purpose. It sounds like your company, you know, like kind of bonded together over this to, you know Yeah. Find, find more purpose in, in the mission that you had. Mm-hmm. Not that you didn't have a lot of purpose there before with Right. You know, trying to be sustainable and good. Mm-hmm. Good custodian of the planet. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. So on that front, let, let's talk a little bit about, you know, Pebblebee and, and, and, and, yeah. These tracking devices. Yeah. Tell me, tell me all about, I mean, the thing that's so interesting to me about them, because, you know, we've seen tracking devices kind of hit the market and, and, and I do wanna mention the fact that you guys were kind of out in front of all these air tags and, you know, I'm sure there's mm-hmm. Lots of interesting patent discussions to be had there. But, um, the thing that's interesting about what you're doing is, It's not limited to one ecosystem. You're both iOS and Android and you have a lot of different products that you know, work, uh, in that space. So can you tell me a little bit all about that?
Daniel Dauora:Pebblebee is the first and only tracking solution today that is cross-platform compatible and works natively on iOS and Android devices in a single product in a single. That's great. And, and that is basically choice giving customers choice. And this means that the same tracker, you as a consumer can make a choice to go with the native solution. For example, find my app on iOS, or if you're on Android, you can use the Now, recently announced, find my device app, which is native on Google. Sure. Uh, or if you like some of the features that Pebblebeeeak provides that aren't provided by. Some of these other giants, you know, like Apple and, and Google, uh, you could use the user-friendly app in ensuring smooth and efficient user experience regardless of the device or app ecosystem you're using. Essentially going back to multi, uh, system across platform. Uh, uh, and, and platform agnostic. Uh, and also, uh, multi-format. And, and, and what I mean by multi-format, that's the expandable system that I was talking about earlier, and that is that technology can expand into any form factor you want, whether it's inside of a golf club or a ski, for example, we're doing with peak ski, which is, uh, uh, by Bode Miller. Uh, and, and, or it could be in your wallet, a thin. For, uh, platform, or it could be on your keys or it could be a small tag that goes on a remote control and they're all sustainable with regards to rechargeability. We're also the only company in this space that does that, including all of the other features that I mentioned. And that is something that is very important for me. It is a personal choice that Nick and I did made in 2017 where we decided moving forward, we don't want to have battery buttons. Uh, uh, cells, I meant battery cells, uh, in, in the, in, um, you know, all the uh, um, in the garbage or in the landfill, right. Uh, moving forward, cuz that's not sustainable. If you think about it. Like apple sold maybe 30 million, uh, air tags. I don't know really, but you know, if you look at statistics, yeah, I mean that's equivalent to 200,000 pounds, uh, of lithium battery in landfills every year. Yeah, that's, that's, that's a lot of batteries. Right? And, and for, for, in our case, you just charge it and it works, and it'll last for 10 years, you know, I mean, as, as long as you want it, as opposed to every year having to throw away. Uh, that button, uh, sell, cell, uh, battery.
Chris Brandt:A lot of this is still a work in progress because, you know, the nature of tracking devices is they're sort of a mesh network, right? Mm-hmm. And you know, like, whereas if you're in the air tags world, you're kind of limited to the iOS ecosystem, but Correct. You know, because you guys are not. Bound to a, a platform, you, you have a much wider ecosystem of phones and mesh networks that you can interact with. And I know right now it's not a cross platform necessarily. It's not Right. Nope. Um, but I imagine that's in, in the, in the future. That's probably something that hopefully you can, we hope so. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you're kind of dependent on what they do, but Yeah. Um, yes. Yeah. Yeah. Could you, I mean, could you talk about how all that works?
Daniel Dauora:Um, Yeah, absolutely. I, I think about it as maybe, uh, like every phone is a cell tower. Every phone in my neighborhood, every person that walks with a phone, it's a cell tower for my devices. So if I leave my, uh, keys behind and let's say I'm walking, I'm doing a run and they fall off of my pocket and they're on the ground somewhere, and then I lose them. I don't know where I lost them. I did a five mile run and I'm at home and I pick up my phone and it's. There's any iOS user, because I'm an iOS user, let's say, right? If there's any iOS user that walks by or drives by, it picks up that signal and it reports it to me, telling me that it was discovered at this particular location using the phones, the user's, phones, location, the driver's, right? The walker buys, uh, phones location and it'll report it to the cloud. And the cloud, which is, let's say in this case it's the Apple iCloud. It'll essentially, uh, Send that to the owner. Apple will never know the location. No one will know the location except for the owner, right? Which is me. Uh, unless I've also, as of recently, a couple days ago they said they announced that they'll be providing sharing to five additional pe, up to five additional people. So basically I'll get that location and it'll say, oh, it was just discovered at this timestamp. At this location, and so I can go and now pick it up and find it. And same thing works with, uh, on the Google network. It's the same way. No difference. Uh, and, uh, regarding the unwanted tracking and the misuse of Bluetooth locations, which was also been an issue, you know? Yeah. For, for, ever since Apple announced theirs because of the network, because it's one point. 5 billion users of iOS, you know, and, and, you know, maybe 3 billion plus, uh, Android. Yeah. Uh, because of that, they've the, you know, we're very excited about the recent, uh, joint proposal from Apple and Google, which addresses the misuse of Bluetooth location tracking, uh, devices for unwanted tracking, and Pebblebee is very proud. To be an active and collaborating partner in this initiative. Our dedication and innovation and strong patent portfolio, as you mentioned, have positioned us as leaders, you know, in the tracking industry and, and I think that's what helped us do so well with all of these partnerships with Apple and Google and others in this space. Like Peaks Ski, for example. Yeah, so we're committing to providing the cutting edge. Solutions to users worldwide and developing future tracking devices in compliance with this new specification, ensuring the privacy and safety of our users.
Chris Brandt:Yeah, and I gotta imagine, you know, being multi-platform like that, uh, you'd have enhanced protection over a single platform kind of device. That's great.
Daniel Dauora:So, Yeah. And it's, it's in the beginning when you, when you claim the device, you get the choice. And once you've decided to go iOS or Apple or any other, it, it is, that's it. That's the only, uh, platform you're using. And it comes with all the safety, uh, environment that that comes with it.
Chris Brandt:We talked about like this, this idea of like peace of mind about where all your stuff is. I mean, I, you know, I hear all the time people talking about how they, you know, they put a, put a tracker in their luggage and you know, they get to their destination and they can see that, you know, they, their luggage has been lost, but it's sitting in some warehouse somewhere and they can kind of mm-hmm. Direct the airline to that, or, you know, I mean, losing keys is just like a constant thing for. For people, you know, like losing a wallet, you know, like you have a lot of different form factors that you can deliver this in. Uh, can you talk about like, Why it's, why, why people love tracking their stuff so much.
Daniel Dauora:Well, yeah, it's good. That's a good question. It's really comes down to peace of mind and, and, and not having, it's all about efficiency. You know, if you look at AI and chat, PT and, and Bard and what they're doing, it's not to make us lazy. It's really not, it's about efficiency. It's like, you know, discovering oil and processing oil so that you have, uh, petrol, you know, and if you have, uh, uh, fuel is that being lazy because now I'm gonna use that in a vehicle so that I can drive from point A to point B. Pick up my grocery stores, you know, stuff. No, it's just about being efficient, you know? And, and this is the same thing. It's about, you know, AI is about providing the tools so that you're much more efficient with your time and you could do so much more. You can do so much greatness. There's gonna be an exponential growth if we all use it the right way. And, and same with tracking. It's about, Peace of mind so that when you're leaving home, you get a reminder, oh, you left your wallet behind, right? So you don't end up at your meeting and, and, and, you know, you're, you're paying lunch and then you're, you know, it's a business meeting. You're like, oh, darn it. You know, I can't pay for my partners, uh, or clients been there lunch. You know, it's, oh,
Chris Brandt:you know, I forgot my laptop going to this meeting. That's,
Daniel Dauora:yeah. Right. Well forgot your life. You know, literally whole, I have a car bag. Just leave the whole bag behind. Yeah. I have a card in my, in my laptop. And actually, you know, it's, it's a little embarrassing, but I have my AirPods and I have my clip on it because honestly it didn't work. The find my feature in this did not work. I went to the Apple store and I, I had. Talk to 'em about it. And I, I, for, I lost them. Yeah. So now I have to buy new ones and I'm just not depending on this anymore. I'm, I'm having my device track it and so, yeah.
Chris Brandt:Well, I mean, at least in the new AirPods they added, you know, louder beeping cuz they've got, now the case has a speaker on it. True. But it's not loud enough. You know.
Daniel Dauora:It's not just that it also didn't work. It, it didn't work for me. And I went to the Apple store and they're, oh, you have to go through this process and do this and that and, and, and, uh, and apply, find my location for the phone. And, and, uh, it, it just didn't work for me. And so anyway, uh, beyond that point.
Chris Brandt:It's, it's, it's a belt and the suspenders approach.
Daniel Dauora:Yes. So, so my point is, is, is it's, it's, its efficiency. Look, I, I went to a, this is, this was recent. I went to a lunch, uh, with a client recently, and I sat down and right after I sat down, I got a notification on my phone. You left your wallet behind and I was like, oh, darn it. I think I left my wallet in the car. Sorry guys. I, I really have to go and, and so I left. As I got to the car, I saw my wallet on the ground right next to my door. Oh, wow. So that saved me. I mean, I had cash in there, all my cards, all my IDs, everything.
Chris Brandt:And it's hard to lose your wallet cause you gotta get all that stuff replaced. Yeah.
Daniel Dauora:And it was great. To be able to come back. And we signed the deal with that client because, I mean, it was, I, I wasn't like preplanned or anything, you know, I swear to God I did not practice this, uh, move. And it happened and, and you know, it was real, like it saved me time and headache and. Gave me peace of mind. So that's, that's really what it's about, you know, and we're, we're building it into skis. I mentioned that earlier with yeah, that's pretty cool. Peak skis, you know, and Henry Griffiths golf clubs. So, you know, two different scenarios. They're a little bit different, but it really demonstrates the ver the versa. Utility of our tracking platform and, and how expandable it can be and integrated into various shapes and sizes and to, to really maintain commitment to, uh, while commit made, maintaining commitment to environmentally conscious solutions, you know, by rechargeability. But if you look at skis, for example, skis, it's about peace of mind. You put it on the rack, you go for having lunch, you know, on the, on the ski resort. And you don't wanna be like worrying about it. It happened to me. I lost a $2,000 pair. Ooh, with the bindings. Because they were snatched and oh boy. And so this is not, you know, this does not, uh, uh, uh, avoid people from snatching it. It's just a deterrent. Right, right. It's a deterrent. And it also gives me peace of mind when they come off, uh, in the middle of the snow and like in, in power, you know? And I can't find them, you know, it's happened to me twice. So, and, and with golf clubs, you, you're golfing and you take your nine iron or your wedge, and you, you, you. Put 'em on the ground. Cuz now you're putting, and you forget and, and you, you know, go to the next hole. And until the end of the next hole, you realize, darn it, I don't have my wedge. Oh. And now it's like you're disrupting the whole flow. You know?
Chris Brandt:I don't, I don't golf much, but I, I can tell you that when I go golfing, and it's not just me who does this, but we spent half the time looking for clubs that got left behind on the green, you know? Yep. And usually it's, you know, the party behind us. It's like, Hey, anybody leave a, you know, wedge guy?
Daniel Dauora:Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. And most of the time you, you, you end up, uh, rejoining back to with your glove clubs. But sometimes it's happened to me once where I never got it back. I just didn't find it, you know, my wedge. And it was a nice wedge, you know?
Chris Brandt:Yeah. Well, somebody else has a nice wedge now.
Daniel Dauora:Yes. And you lost time, you know,
Chris Brandt:and you can't course, can't you, you can't use your wedge for the rest of the, the round.
Daniel Dauora:Yes, exactly. Exactly. You had to borrow your friends and it's like, you know, different height and it's just, you know.
Chris Brandt:It doesn't work.
Daniel Dauora:Not a great experience.
Chris Brandt:I mean, like, it's not like, uh, I'm that good that you know somebody, somebody else's clubs would hurt or help me.
Daniel Dauora:I'm, I'm in the same boat. I'm still gonna shank it into the water. I'm in the boat. I, I, you know, uh, haven't had enough time to, to practice as much as I need to. Yeah. But, yes.
Chris Brandt:Well, and, and I'm like a water magnet. If I see water, I'll, I'll aim anywhere but the water, but it will end up in the water.
Daniel Dauora:Yep. Yep. I totally get it. It's the the nervous factor. You're like, oh no, I don't wanna do that. And then it's just like, you know, subliminally it just happens, you know? I know. And it just goes there.
Chris Brandt:It well, cause you know, like you, you can't not think of something once your brain has it in the head. Exactly. So you, it's like it's all that. You, once you start thinking about it, it's like all you can think about. Yep.
Daniel Dauora:Yep. Um,
Chris Brandt:so, so tell me like, what kind of form factors do, do these come in?
Daniel Dauora:Uh, right now they come in, uh, a clip form factor, just like for your keys, right? They come in a, a very thin pla form factor, just like a credit card so that you can track your wallet or your laptop, like I have it under my case right now. Mm-hmm. Or it comes in a very, uh, small form factor as nearly as thin as the card, but, 60, 70% smaller in size, it has less battery power. It lasts for up to eight months instead of the card up to 18 months. That's not bad. It's rechargeable, man. True. It's rechargeable and it, you know, 30 minutes you got full charge. Uh, so that is great for like, for example, tracking your, your pet collar or you're tracking your, your pet, uh, leash or tracking your backpack. That's a strap. You know, it has a strap attachment or right. Even your remote control. You know, a double-sided tape to attach it to your remote control. Uh, so that's what we have today and what we're launching. But there are quite a bit of exciting products and integrations we're doing in the future. Uh, more so than what I mentioned, like Peak Ski and Henry Griffiths uh, golf.
Chris Brandt:When you get to, uh, glass frames, let me know because yes, I, I, I'm out like five bucks every time I can't find my glasses. Cause I tell my son, I'm like, I'll give you five bucks if you find my glasses. You know, like after looking for 20 minutes, I can't find it. And he's like, well, he's all over that.
Daniel Dauora:Yeah. Yeah. And it's not just the, the, the$5 for the glasses, it's your time and your, you know, oh,
Chris Brandt:that drives me nuts. And I do it all the time.
Daniel Dauora:Right. And have, yeah. I can't see with them or without 'em. And if we could solve that genetically somehow, someday, that would be nice.
Chris Brandt:Yeah. If you could work on that problem. Very nice. You seem very motivated to, to do a lot of stuff. So
Daniel Dauora:next chapter, next book, I should say,
Chris Brandt:I could, I could trust you to solve that problem. It sounds like. Well, so I, I mean, you mentioned some, uh, things that you know, you have going forward. I mean, what, what, what is next for, for Pebble? What are, what are you, what are you gonna, things that you can talk about, obviously.
Daniel Dauora:Yeah. Lots of stuff that's happening. Uh, that's, that's, uh, you know, a lot of exciting, several exciting developments and products coming to market in 2023. Uh, but 2024 and 2025 are shaping up to be, uh, going more in the enterprise direction. Oh, yeah. In fact, we're doing that already. There are dealerships that we're working with that we're helping them track keys. Okay. Not just keys, but vehicles as well on the lot. Uh, I mean, it's embarrassing when you buy a car. It's happened to me where I had to wait two hours. They, cuz they couldn't find my truck. They just couldn't find it, you know, on the lot. And, and it's, it's embarrassing. But, but that's, that's, you know, it's kind of like, you know, you go to an airline company and you have your luggage tracked and you know exactly where it is because if you're using our product, Yeah, but the airline, the airline company doesn't, and it's like they're caught with their pants down because it's like, uh, well we should be cuz it's in our possession, but we don't, so we're solving that problem too, you know? Yeah. So there's a lot that's happening in the future. I can't say specifically who, or, or, but it's, it's happening soon. And, and we're, we're, uh, definitely, uh, You know it, stay in up to date, you know, when, when it comes to Pebblebee, you can always, uh, you know, connect with us on usual social media platforms like Instagram or, or LinkedIn. And you happy to connect with you on LinkedIn as well. Just search for my name, Daniel Dora. Uh, on LinkedIn, that's d a o u r a. And, uh, happy to connect. Uh, with regards to any business discussions,
Chris Brandt:if people wanted to get a, you know, a Pebblebee device, where, where should they go?
Daniel Dauora:Go to Pebblebee.com,
Chris Brandt:Pebblebee.com,
Daniel Dauora:pebblebee.com.
Chris Brandt:Are you guys in the major retailers or anything yet, or how's that?
Daniel Dauora:Yes, yes, absolutely. So we're on Amazon. Uh, we will be, uh, for the new products that I just announced will be in Costco. And we'll be in Best Buy and PetSmart. And we're already in Flying J just starting a release in Flying J. Truck stops. Oh, wow. Yeah. That's a good place. Uh, and, and there are a few other retailers that we're working on right now. Well, I love the fact
Chris Brandt:that you've come full circle with Costco.
Daniel Dauora:Yes, yes. Right. That's a great insight. By the way, Chris, I didn't even put two to two together until you just mentioned it. That is a great insight. So yes,
Chris Brandt:your, your whole story is, is incredible. I, I love what you're building. It's, thank you. It's such a cool company. I love the fact. That you've got the sustainability built in, especially as you're integrating with products, because having like a tracker that goes dead in a product after a while would be just terrible. Right. So having that rechargeability, um, you know, I think, I think what you guys are doing, you're onto something really cool there. So, uh, thanks so much for, for doing what you're doing. Thanks so much for sharing your story. It was really, Incredible. And thanks so much for being on, really appreciate it.
Daniel Dauora:Thank you so much, Chris. Really appreciate the opportunity to be here and, uh, look forward to many more years of innovation and innovation and adding, uh, value to our users. And, uh, again, yeah, thank you for the opportunity to share our story today.
Chris Brandt:Yeah, I'm sure it's gonna be better and better every year. Thanks for watching. I'd love to hear from you in the comments. And if you could please give us a, like, share and if you're not already, please subscribe and I will see you. And the next one.