Moped Gangs Are Back - And They're Electric!

Tim Seward built a 65 MPH electric moped in his garage to one-up his buddies. People wouldn't stop asking where to buy it. So he started Onyx Motors, raised almost a million bucks on Indiegogo in 3 hours… then sold the company for $1. When his successor died unexpectedly, Tim came back to rebuild from scratch. This is that story.

The RCR 80V is a 91-volt electric motorbike that hits 65–75 MPH, goes 130 miles on a charge, runs Apple CarPlay, and costs about 75 cents to charge at home. It's built on a metal tube frame with swappable aluminum panels — designed from day one to be customized, modded, and made your own. Think less iPhone, more Lego kit.

Tim breaks down the moped gang culture that started it all, why Americans are 20 years behind the rest of the world on two-wheeled transport, what he learned designing scooters at Bird, and why Gen Z might never buy a car.

CHAPTERS
0:00 – Cold Open
0:00 – Intro: Who is Tim Seward?
0:01 – Why Build Something That Lasts?
0:03 – Moped Army & Moped Mondays
0:05 – Moped Culture: US vs. the World
0:07 – The Scooter Armageddon (Bird & South by Southwest)
0:09 – Working at Bird & the Wheelchair-Accessible Vehicle
0:11 – Red Lights & "It's Not For Sale"
0:13 – The Indiegogo Campaign ($920K in Hours)
0:15 – Selling Onyx for $1
0:18 – Losing James & Resurrecting the Brand
0:21 – Starting a Company Twice
0:22 – The RCR 80V: Size, Speed & Power
0:25 – Regulations & Licensing
0:26 – Metal vs. Plastic: Design Philosophy
0:28 – Built to Customize (Not Lock Down)
0:31 – CarPlay, Navigation & Built-In Tech
0:33 – Mounting Points, Mods & Steady Garage
0:36 – Swappable Panels & Custom Builds
0:40 – Favorite Mods: Back to the Future Build
0:43 – The $245B Electric Vehicle Market
0:46 – Gen Z Doesn't Want Cars
0:49 – Park It on the Sidewalk (or Your Desk)
0:52 – Speed Modes & Motorcycle Registration
0:54 – What's Next for Onyx Motors
0:56 – Where to Buy + Outro

LINKS
Onyx Motors → https://onyxmotors.com
Onyx on Instagram → https://instagram.com/onyxmotors
Steady Garage (aftermarket accessories) → https://steadygarage.com
Onyx Garage (custom builds gallery) → https://onyxmotors.com/pages/garage

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Transcript

Tim Seward: 0:00

Electricity obviously is gonna arise too, but to give you an perspective, and we're just playing around with the math to charge at a public charger, um, you could go, uh, for $5, you can go 170 miles. I mean, I don't know a car that can, that's, that's runs on gas where you can spend five bucks and go 175 miles. Yeah, I think that's, uh, that's just unheard of. So that's a pretty awesome win if you were to charge at your house. You could do that for less than a dollar. Yeah, you could do 175 miles for 75 cents.

Chris Brandt: 0:39

Our guest, Tim Seward, founded Onyx Motors in 2016. He later sold it for a dollar to pursue other opportunities, only to watch it collapse when his successor died. Unexpectedly inspiring Tim to come back and resurrect it. He is designed for some big companies like Sonos, Google, Nike, and Bird in the past, and now his latest personal electric vehicle creation. The R-C-R-A-D-V is an electric vehicle that hits 65 miles per hour with the pedals still attached. So let's learn more about Tim and Onyx Motors. Welcome, Tim.

Tim Seward: 1:16

Hi. Nice to meet you.

Chris Brandt: 1:17

Great to have you on. Tim, I, you know, I've, I, uh, I, I've seen your, your, um, your R-C-R-A-D-V and I, I, I, I think there's some really cool things and, and particularly some of the, the cool customizations that, that happen on, on, on, uh, on the vehicle, which is amazing. But before we get into that, you know, tell me a little bit about, you know, like. Why you started Onyx and like what your journey was to get there?

Tim Seward: 1:44

I mean, I started Onyx mainly because, uh, I was really interested in creating a product that wasn't a throwaway product. So a lot of, a lot of consumer electronics or. You know, people purchase them and then they, they throw 'em away after a couple years. There's very few consumer electronics that, uh, someone holds onto for a very long time. I'm talking decades. Um, and vehicles are at least one of the few, um, products that, that people purchase. And they usually hold onto them for a very long time, unless obviously they're on a lease schedule or something like that. Um, but generally. Vehicles and furniture and some other products, uh, they, they will, um, you know, they, they'll last for generations where you'll find. You know, cell phones, smartwatches, kind of the more popular consumer electronics don't last for more than a couple years. And that was one of my bigger motivations was to create a product that would last beyond the first user and go, you know, generations into the future for people to repair, customize, um, do what they want with it.

Chris Brandt: 3:01

You started Onyx and then you, you, you sold Onyx for a dollar, which is gotta be an interesting story to begin with, but then you went off and you, you built some really other, other interesting products. I mean, one of, one of the pers the vehicles that I've actually personally used is the bird scooter. Mm-hmm. I've used that quite a bit. Um, can you, what was, what was like, um. I, I assume that when you built the, built the first vehicle, it was, you know, your personal use. Right? Right. Could you, could you talk about how you went from, like this personal vehicle that, you know, you kind of built for yourself to, you know, a whole company now?

Tim Seward: 3:42

Yeah. So, I mean, JI wanted to just build a, an electric moped that was. Competing with my friends, you know, gas mopeds. So, um, there's actually kind of a big group of, of. People nationally and globally. Um, and they, a lot of them, um, follow this group called, uh, moped Army. Right. And there's probably hundreds of thousands of people that are in this group. And then they subdivide into cities in which they call moped gangs, right? And it's, it's just a, it is a joke. It's not like a real gang or a biker gang, but it's kind of funny,

Chris Brandt: 4:21

not, not a terribly threatening kind of

Tim Seward: 4:23

gang. Oh, no, no, no. Right. And um, so we would meet every Monday night, uh, it's called Moped Mondays. And we would just, you know, meet at a bar, hang out, and, you know, maybe go for a ride or something like that. And, um, generally we, it was always about talking about. Our builds and what we were working on. And um, after probably a decade of building custom gas powered mopeds, I mean, it was actually before that, but I really got serious about building a high performance electric moped that could compete with the gas mopeds, like the really. Amazing builds the ones that could go 60, 70 miles an hour. Yeah, a moped generally can only go 30 miles an hour, but you can modify it to go, um, twice the speed. But it takes a lot to really be able to do that and a lot of skill. And, uh, I've had a couple gas eds that could go that fast, but they would always break down. And so I, um, I know that electric was more efficient, less parts, all, all the, you know, all the benefits. Electric, um, uh, although. Um, things were pretty expensive when I started back in 2012 with a friend. And then by 2016 is when, um, prices of lithium really started to go down, and that's when I got pretty serious about it. And it was mainly just to compete with my friends and build something that. Um, you know, my friends in the, the community around moped Army and the community around mopeds would think, wow, that's crazy. That's how, like, I couldn't believe that electric could do that. Right. And that was, that was my mission.

Chris Brandt: 5:58

In the United States, we don't have that kind of moped culture that, that other places do. I mean, can you talk ab how, how do you see the difference between, you know, like the way other countries. Utilize mopeds versus the way we do here.

Tim Seward: 6:11

Here, it's kind of, it's like a hobby, right? It's, uh, it's definitely, people use 'em for transportation and, um, and they're, it's, it's a, it's a cheap, affordable way to get around town. And, uh, uh, so the people in the United States, that's what generally people would do. But, uh, they're also, you know, just trying to build like a really cool, nostalgic vehicle where, and, and those mopeds. Or really stopped getting imported into the United States, or made the United States by the nineties. You know, they really started to taper off in the eighties, but by the nineties they were completely gone and there was only a few attempts to try to bring them back and it just never took off. Whereas in the rest of the world, uh, it kept going and kept evolving. And I was just in Italy this, uh, past, uh, fall and you can see people are using more like the Vespa type of moped. Not the ones with pedals, but the seated scooter style that is insanely popular and people use those from, from teenagers to adults. Like I was seeing all ages, all ranges, all types of people just totally taking over the streets with mopeds and really outnumbering cars and going faster than cars, like getting to places faster. It's a way more efficient way to travel in my opinion. Um, the United States, for whatever reason, just hasn't really taken. That and seeing that. But I think the younger generations, especially like anyone between, you know, 30 and 40 years old and down to your twenties, are starting to notice that, you know, cars might not be the best means of transportation, especially in a major city. When you have traffic, you can just get. Across the city so much faster. I mean, we do it all the time. We race someone in a Uber or race, someone in their own car, and we're always here 10, 20 minutes. Like we're always at the location that we want to be 10 or 20 minutes, uh, faster than the person who took a car.

Chris Brandt: 8:10

I mentioned bird scooters. I was at, uh, south by Southwest that one year. The scooter, Armageddon. Oh yeah. You know, south by Southwest where they were just literally, you know, piled like 20 feet high of scooters.'cause there was just. Everywhere. Right? And, and it was, and it was sort of like the, the, the first big instance of everybody, you know, like utilizing, you know, those kinds of scooters. Um, and, and you know, in a, with, with a crowd that big and so many people in town and you know, like that's sort of shorter mobility and the ability not to have to, you know, to not have to find parking. You know, was a huge deal. Um, so you can see the, the advantages, especially in the cities. And you know, like I do see the younger generation, like my kids have a, have a scooter too, you know, like a two wheel scooter and my son takes it everywhere. Um, you know, so I do think there's like a certain, you know, desire to have something like this. I mean, you know, in some ways it's a, it's kind of a fun, fun toy and it's, you know, enjoyable, which is, is, is a hundred percent true 'cause they're fun to ride. Um, but from a pure like. You know, mobility and, you know, like, like you say, ability to kind of cut through traffic, which can get really rough and more urbanized areas. Um, there, there's a, there's a definite advantage to these kinds of vehicles.

Tim Seward: 9:31

Originally, I was there not to, I mean, I did develop their, I helped develop their. Bird two Scooter and their bird three. And then there was like some more generations that were gonna come before that, the fall of bird. Right. But my real reason was to do a couple things. One was to bring in their, um, their bikes and their mopeds. So that's why they hired me was to develop the bird moped or the bird, you know. But they also acquired the company Scoot. Yeah. Which also already had, um, mopeds, so. My, my job was to develop new vehicles for them, um, while I was also working on their core vehicle. But they quickly, you know. Probably by 2019 they realized that the scooter was, um, there was only certain types of people who would ride the scooter, right? Certain people with certain abilities. And, uh, so my job was to try to broaden their market. So we had some crazy ideas where. Um, generally, like we were gonna do, um, a four wheeled vehicle that you could actually ride, ride with a wheelchair so you could ride into the back of it with a wheelchair, but everyone else could also use it. And that was the mission that I'm actually kind of sad that didn't happen. But the mission was for, to make a vehicle that everyone could use, not just. A certain set of people. Right. Yeah. And because that was obviously, like, as you said, it was like the scooter, Armageddon, like bird didn't really like that. Of course. When Sure, of course. When of course when it was, you know, started it was, it was great. Oh, it was this, it was kind of like Uber and Lyft when they were just saying, Hey, you know, we're going to, we're gonna do whatever we can to get this. Going, but obviously at a certain point that you start to lose money when people don't like something. So, so we were trying to make something that was more accessible for everybody. Yeah. And if, uh, we did, we did try, but the problem was the regulations on, uh, mopeds and things like that. So if it didn't have pedals. Or it did have pedals. Depending on where you were, you had to, you had to make all these different vehicles for different areas of the country and for the world. That also got it really comp made it really complicated.'cause not everybody has the same regulations.

Chris Brandt: 11:45

So you, you, you, you built it for yourself and, you know, to kind of one up your, your buddies. Um, but I, you know, I, my understanding is you were, you know, you'd be stopped at red lights and people are like, Hey, what's that? Mm-hmm. What's that? You know, and that it was that sort of, what kind of drove you to, to productize this thing and, and, and get it going.

Tim Seward: 12:03

Other than some of my custom cars, I've, I rarely get asked what I'm using or what I'm riding or what. Device I have at my handwriting. I mean, most people don't really care or are excited enough to be. Excited about something that I personally own. Right? And, but this was one of the things that I owned that every time I used it, it, it was almost impossible for me to avoid someone asking me or stopping me where they could purchase it. And I kept saying, it just got kind of old. I kept saying, it's not for sale. It got, and it's not for sale. It's not for sale. Right. Uh, you can't, no, I made this myself. Right. Yeah. Nobody. Can buy. You can't buy this. And there was just someone who was crossing the street that was, uh, kind of an investor type that, um, asked me where to purchase it and I said it wasn't for sale, just like I've always said. And then he said, no, hold on a minute. And he kind of got me to get off my bike and talked to me and we exchanged information. But long story short, that. It didn't, you know, it didn't really work out, but it gave me the idea to take it and do it myself. I had been making a lot of, um, or creating a lot of Indiegogo campaigns for other, other people. Yeah. And so I just thought, I thought, why don't I try to do it myself? And that's, that's where that started.

Chris Brandt: 13:21

How did the Indie Indiegogo campaign go from there?

Tim Seward: 13:23

So, the Indiegogo campaign was a little bit of a challenge. It was probably a good, almost a good year of me. Trying to get in touch with Indiegogo and show them prototypes, and they initially were a little apprehensive, but. You know, they said, Hey, once you have a prototype, uh, we'll set up a meeting and you can come by our office in San Francisco. Luckily, they're in the city, and I was just telling them how I, you know, I had been in meetings with them before for other campaigns and I noticed that having a campaign manager, like a dedicated campaign manager is very important one that I can actually call up and talk to or not just. Exchange emails through a chat bot, which would be super frustrating. Um, so they were a little apprehensive, but once I had one and they tested it out, they were very excited about it. That, um, it would also, it was gonna be one of their more, most expensive items on Indiegogo at the time. There had never been anything, um, that was, that cost us much on Indiegogo. So they were also curious to see how it would work. Um, so they were definitely. Helpful. And they had a lot of really good strategies. And, uh, once I had launched Indiegogo, uh, we did some really cool stuff where one, um, we had set up just like they normally do, set up an email to capture emails before you launch. But just before we launched, there was a few days where those people who sent emails got access to the, um, to the campaign. It was like a secret. A secret. Um, URL.

Chris Brandt: 14:52

Yeah.

Tim Seward: 14:52

And all of those people. Kind of piled in. So right when we launched, it essentially just jumped almost to my goal, um, within hours. And That's

Chris Brandt: 15:04

amazing.

Tim Seward: 15:05

Yeah. And so then that gave a lot of people confidence to just keep, um, you know, contributing. And so within, within three hours. It was already, already met the goal, and then by, by the end of the campaign, I had generated over a million dollars in, in, um, in sales. But then, you know, there was probably about 60,000 in, you know, like refunds. Um. You know, you can give people up to like the first two weeks, you can give them refunds. So there was people who got cold feet, they were just kind of like, this is Indigogo. I don't really know if I can trust it or not. But it was a small, it was a small amount. Um, and so it was somewhere around 900,920 or something like that. I can't remember exactly the number, but it was gen generally more than enough money to start the business and get, get the orders going. And honestly, as soon as I hit the goal, I was already on the phone. Getting everything going into production. So, 'cause I already knew it was gonna be, you know, it, it was gonna, I needed to get ahead of it, so,

Chris Brandt: 16:08

and then you, you ended up selling Onyx, you know, for a dollar.

Tim Seward: 16:14

The, the other way to look at it is I also got Accu hired at Bird. So, um, bird helped me find a replacement. For Onyx to take to, to lead Onyx and go work for them. And I got some money from that. So it wasn't, it wasn't like a dollar, but you know, it wasn't transactionally. It wasn't like. For coming from Onyx, it was coming from birds.

Chris Brandt: 16:38

The person you sold it to, uh, was he was, he was a close friend of yours.

Tim Seward: 16:43

I mean, he was a friend definitely. But he, but he was someone that I had met at LG Electronics when we worked at LG together.

Chris Brandt: 16:49

Oh, okay.

Tim Seward: 16:49

And he was, um, and me, and he was a prototyper and, and he was working at Amazon Lab 1 26 or something like that at the time, and he really hated. The job. And so he would come after work, he would come to the shop that I had, uh, the warehouse and just, he had actually purchased an Onyx. He was one of the backers. And uh, he was just so excited about it and, you know, would come by every day and just loved tinkering on the bikes. And he was actually one of the first people to get a bike.'cause um, although he wasn't the first person to order one, he was just so. Excited about it. He just put one together with the parts that I had, even though I didn't have every single part. And so, yeah, so when I, you know, he, he was there when all this, this stuff was going down, like all this crazy stuff was happening. So he was just like, Hey, I'll take it. Like I'll help you figure it out. So

Chris Brandt: 17:44

this James sort of in 2, 20, 23 suddenly passed away. Right.

Tim Seward: 17:50

Right.

Chris Brandt: 17:51

And, and, and was it just sort of. Um, the timing worked out with you, kind of exiting bird and kind of coming back to, you know, really build up Onyx. Is that what happened? Or,

Tim Seward: 18:04

I left Bird, um. After they had gotten rid of the entire in, in-house engineering team, that was generally the people who I worked directly with and the branding team that I was on was also starting to die. And um, so I just basically jumped ship, uh, and went back to Onyx and was there for about a year and, um. I didn't really know this, but the, the owner James, uh, he was likely having health complications. That was probably when it was starting to happen, and I, and I honestly, I think, and I can't. I don't know for a fact, but there's a lot of evidence that I have to this, that he probably knew something was wrong, like his doctors were telling him. And I think he was kind of acting out in not a great way. So it, it made me wanna leave, right? So I went and worked for another, um, competitor brand called Upco, um, and, you know, was designing stuff for them for a while. Um, but then when he passed away, people around, um. Not so much upco, but people in the industry reached out to me to try to help figure out how to, how to bring it back. And, um, yeah, because there was still, there was still something great there, but he just, you know, it wasn't, wasn't really was Onyx was. Financially in trouble, but it was because he took a lot of loans out, um, in his name and he was more financially in trouble than the company was. The company was still selling bikes. It was still doing pretty good. It just that, um, his health really declined. And then, um, I think he just made some bad decisions and so that, so we were able to, you know, fix a lot of the situations that, that, um. That ha resulted from that.

Chris Brandt: 19:51

So did you buy the company back at that point? Is that what happened?

Tim Seward: 19:54

Um, I actually got some, some people to help invest in the, in the business to bring, to bring it back. And what we, we didn't buy the company back. We actually, uh, we were able to attain the brand, so, so not the actual physical assets. So we didn't get any physical assets. We just got what you call intangible assets. Gotcha. And that was separated from the like. Probably a year after I had left in the very beginning that the brand and kind of the tangible assets were separated in two different businesses. And so, so part of the, the, the loan and I guess what they call it, UCC ones, those were all tied to tangible assets, whereas, um. Whereas the brand was separated from it, which was what we were, we were only able to resurrect the brand and then we had to. We had to build everything up from the, the ground up again.

Chris Brandt: 20:52

Okay. So now you're back leading this company. You've got, you know, investors. Mm-hmm. You, you're, you're kind of starting from scratch at this point, it sounds like, right? Right. Mm-hmm. So like how, what, what, what was your approach this time around? It's, it's rare that people get to start a company twice, right? Right. And you did so like, so what did you do differently the second time around

Tim Seward: 21:14

getting the right help? Right. That was the thing that. It's kind of stopped me in the beginning was I tried for a good year to try to find people that, um, could help me from a business perspective and I couldn't find anyone. A lot of people that were saying they would help me were people that originally weren't, weren't gonna help me when there was no money. So that to me was a big red flag, right? Like any, anyone that I asked for help in the beginning was. Not helpful and just kind of left me in the dust. But then once the money, once there was money, everybody came back. Yeah. Everybody was like, Hey, I wanna be involved. And I was like, no. Right. So that was my biggest problem in the beginning. Um, so definitely finding people that were there to help be before there was money. Right. Like the, that, that honestly, um. It shows a lot of, in like, you know, just dedication. And so those were the people that ended up help bringing it back, right? People that were just dedicated to, they just loved the brand, right? They, they loved the idea of the, the product. And, um, so I brought those people back into the fold.

Chris Brandt: 22:27

What sort of the, the unique characteristics of this thing? What, what, what's the, what's the compelling factor about, about this? Vehicle,

Tim Seward: 22:35

the form factor and the size. Right. I think that makes a big, a big, that's a big deal. Right? Um, 'cause if you get a motorcycle, which I have plenty of them, they're huge. They're just, there's these big heavy vehicles. They're fun. Yeah. Right. Yeah. They're, honestly, they're fun. But to be honest, I, when I live in a city, I, I prefer a nimble, um, you know. Like vehicle that I can carve and weave in, in and outta traffic and really get through obstacles without having to worry about clipping someone's a mirror or, you know, being able to kind of squeeze through these cars. So the form factor makes a big difference. Um, it's, it's really akin to a bike, a, a very powerful bike or a big kind of BMX cruiser. It looks like a small motorcycle, um, or a small little cafe racer, but. But, um, it's just around the right size. I'm six one, so I'm a probably, you know, at the, the top of height wise, people, you know, up to 6, 5, 6 7 can fit on it with taller bars and things like that. But we do make different sizes. So we make a smaller, like a smaller height one and a standard height one. And, uh, that's generally just for in seam height. For seat height, uh, because it isn't an adjustable seat, like a regular bike, it's a motorcycle. And most motorcycles in the comel one size. So the, yeah, the, I, I think that that's one of the big drivers, and then it's really powerful for its size. It's, it's, it's around the 80 volts, I would say, is equivalent to around a 250 cc to 300 cc in the first, you know, um, zero to 50 miles an hour. It feels like a full-size motorcycle. Obviously. It starts to taper off and lose. You know, it's torque and power at the top end. Yeah. But, but that's plenty of power for getting our, in our own city.

Chris Brandt: 24:30

Yeah. That's a lot faster than most bikes too. I mean, so like, right. So where does this fall? I mean, 'cause like I know that, like you mentioned, there's a lot of regulations and when we talk about mopeds mm-hmm. You know, I think about the eighties and the nineties where everything had, you start 'em with the pedals and, you know, they were loud and, and and smoky

Tim Seward: 24:47

before like. The regular started to really kick in. I mean, it's always been, it's, it's never been in an electric bike, right? So it would make people confused with that. It's, it's in the motorbike or motor driven cycle class, or what they call like a light, a low powered motorcycle.

Chris Brandt: 25:03

So do you need like a Class M license for this?

Tim Seward: 25:06

Yeah. So in, in California you would need a, an m, um, an M two at the very least, or M1, uh, M two is you can drive an automatic, uh, which is what this vehicle is.

Chris Brandt: 25:18

Okay.

Tim Seward: 25:19

Um, and. Unfortunately, yeah. Mopeds require M two or M1 license they have for decades. Oh,

Chris Brandt: 25:26

really? I didn't know that.

Tim Seward: 25:27

Um, yeah. Yeah. In California. Yeah. And not every state honestly has requirements for this. Um, and I think that's where the, the biggest issue actually lies, right?'cause you know, certain states, certain northern states don't have license requirements or. For example, like Florida doesn't have power requirements. It's just a, it's some, you know, strange stuff between states. Yeah. So I think, I think it's all gonna come in a, you know, sort of homogenized. I think every, everyone's gonna follow the same regulations, uh, but right now we are. Um, we would be considered, you know, a motor driven cycle. Um, which, which is, which is great 'cause that's where, you know, all the requirements for states are going.

Chris Brandt: 26:13

It's kind of a unique vehicle. Like tell me about like, the design philosophy here and, and, and like what, what kinds of things you learned from your early prototypes to you that you ended up putting in?

Tim Seward: 26:26

So, generally a lot of motorcycles and a lot of. Vehicles, uh, in this category are made with plastic and molding with a lot of plastic, right? And at Onyx we tend to wanna do mostly metal, non, um, molded parts. Um, whereas molded metal is possible or forged metal, which is great, it is very expensive to do that, right? But once you. Done it, it's, it's pretty awesome. Um, but to start the company, um, you wouldn't wanna go into hundreds of thousands, if not, you know, quarter million, uh, dollars worth of tooling to make products. So using traditional. Um, methods, what you call cut, bend, and weld, uh, is the, is the easiest and most affordable way to create, uh, like a motorcycle, right? So a lot of like tubed motorcycles, which they still make today, KTM, Honda, they all, they make tubed frames.

Chris Brandt: 27:22

Yeah.

Tim Seward: 27:22

And that's generally, that's what we did. So we made tubed frame, um, and then it's, it's shrouded in metal panels as opposed to plastic. So. It lasts a lot longer as opposed to plastic, right? If something breaks in plastic and let's just say, God forbid the company wasn't around, there is no way to really make it. You could 3D print it, but imagine a huge panel and 3D printing isn't at the moment right now, that's strong. Um, especially for something like a motorcycle when you drop it.

Chris Brandt: 27:51

Yeah,

Tim Seward: 27:51

so metal panels could be remade and there are people who currently right now are doing custom builds. They remake the metal panels and. Uh, yeah, so that, that definitely, that's definitely the part, part of the philosophy is to not put a ton of molded plastic pieces that can't be easily replaced on, on the bike.

Chris Brandt: 28:12

It's built. Really to customize, right? I mean, which right, in its own way, gives it a lot more life too. Because if it's a platform that you can use to sort of express yourself on, you're gonna, it's gonna have a longer life, it seems to me.

Tim Seward: 28:27

Well, I would give you some good examples of companies that, um. You know, didn't really make it, and they weren't really built to customize. So we could talk about cake for example. They are supposedly are coming back or, but, but their bikes while beautifully designed, just like a, an an industrial designer's dream, dream design. Um, you can't go and customize, in my opinion, at least at this point, it's go and make custom. Pieces for every single part of your product. So. So, um, by, by the nature of that, right, so if I'm making things that, um, are not fully custom, there's a lot of off the shelf parts on it, that does allow someone to be able to hop onto Amazon or hop onto some other aftermarket supplier and be able to purchase. Custom or upgraded parts for the bike and really make it their own. But then also the construction of it, like I was saying earlier, is a lot easier to make custom parts for it. Uh, and there's, there's a reason for that, right? I it if, if you make everything locked out, to be honest, people actually, at least in this, in this category of vehicles, they're not that interested in vehicles that they can't customize. And I think that that's one of the bigger. Problems that, uh, you know, that competitors in the past have had where they, they think that if they make everything super beautiful, everything locked down into their ecosystem, much like Apple

Chris Brandt: 30:00

mm-hmm.

Tim Seward: 30:01

You, you, um, are gonna have this amazing, you know, iPhone moment with e-Bikes, which hasn't happened. And I don't see it happening for a while.

Chris Brandt: 30:10

It does seem like it's kind of more of a, I mean, you definitely have a hobbyist crowd. You know? Right. And, and we're, we seem to be more in the early adopter phase of a lot of this. Right. And I think those people tend to be more looking for kind of a hobby and project and, you know, like a lifestyle choice than just a, you know, like something I buy and, you know, use.

Tim Seward: 30:33

I would, I would say that's the perfect way to describe it, because at the moment you're. People are not looking, like I was saying, they're not looking for the, the, the first iPhone with an e-bike right now with all the bells and whistles and sensors and things like that. There are, there are companies that are, have tried, you know, time and time again to make a smart e-bike or a smart motorcycle. And while it seems really cool on paper and it, it's awesome and trendy, um, they, they just don't sell well right now. People want, in my opinion, more of an open source. Vehicle one that they can tinker with and um. Sure. As it gets more mainstream, obviously people are gonna want, um, more and more of the bike to actually have all of the things that they're looking for. And I would say with our 80 volt, we did start to incorporate things that, um, the hobbyist would put on their bike. So, for example, we have navigation, we have CarPlay and Android Auto. That actually is, that's coming, that's coming from the DIY community that had been doing it. I mean, I, I put one on three years ago. But you don't see that on bikes. Even today. We're one of the only bikes that you, that has, uh, you know, navigation. You can take phone calls if you have a headset in your, um, on your helmet. Um, you know, you can listen to music. Those are things, you can pair it to a Bluetooth speaker so you could have external audio. Those are things that bikes right now, even motorcycles, you rarely see them. Come stock on a bike. Um, there's a lot of aftermarket for it, but at the moment, uh, just being able to buy the bike and it's already set up for you. And so I think we are solely moving into being able to give features that normally you'd have to find and then figure out how to put it on your bike. So, um, I think it's gonna, it's gonna evolve, but it's, we're doing it, we're not doing it. We're giving everyone a bunch of crazy technology. You know,

Chris Brandt: 32:34

you built the bike so that it has attachment points and, and it, and

Tim Seward: 32:38

mm-hmm.

Chris Brandt: 32:38

You built it in a way, right, that, that. Can be more easily modified, right?

Tim Seward: 32:43

For example, the seat, a lot of people like to customize their seat, so, um, it's very easily modifiable to, to put any type of cafe reer seat that you want on there. The rear rack, uh, and tail fender. There's three different, right out of the box, there's three different ways to customize it. You could have just the tail fender, or you could have the combination, or you can have, um, just the rack or none at all. Right? And those are, those are just things that outta the box you can customize and, and make it look different. But all of those mounting points are prime for people to put their own designs where, you know, people wanna put saddle bags, so they're making their own supports and things like that for, for saddle bags that bolt right into those supports. So there's, um, there's also, in the front of the bike, we noticed on the previous version, people were making these kind of custom fairings that would go on the front. So I actually added mounting points there so that, so that. Whatever they come up with, they have a place to actually mount to as opposed to, you know, people were using zip ties and things like that before, so trying to, or magnets or things like that aren't, you know, that aren't very sturdy. So, so actually giving people more options to be able to bolt things to, and then there's a lot of places on the bike that you don't see, but. There's mounting locations on the bike that we haven't even completely thought of ideas that would go there, but, um, you know, a peg kit for example, there's a whole location for that. Or you could put a center stand kickstand or just, um, even thought of something kind of funny where putting spare batteries could be mounted down, kind of where. These, these mounting locations are, um, kind of like an emergency battery pack. Uh, it's like that,

Chris Brandt: 34:37

that second day tank, you can

Tim Seward: 34:39

switch it over. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So, I mean, just there's, there's a lot of areas to do that. And then, um. There's, there's a company called Steady Garage that's actually making, um, a ton of custom accessories for our bike. Um, from adjustable forks, uh, you know, front suspension, adjustable rear suspension where you can tune every single, uh, compression, rebound and preload. Um, you can, you know, get'em in different colors. There's, uh. They have all these little accessories that can go on there, different headlights and lighting that to upgrade your lighting, um, handle different types of handlebars, everything. Um, and it's really high quality stuff. So for example, you could, if you bought everything from study garage, it would actually cost more than the bike, like all the accessories.

Chris Brandt: 35:31

That's an interesting business model that we've seen be successful in other areas too. I mean, everywhere from, you know, like PC building, you know, people building all their own cases and money into like raspberry pies and, you know, like that, that sense of, um, developing a product with a broader ecosystem. Has tremendous value because all of a sudden it's, you know, you now you've got the, the Lego kit. You know, it's like if you can only build one thing, it kind of sucks. But if you got a Lego kit and you can add a million different things, that's pretty cool.

Tim Seward: 36:04

Everybody's bike looks different. It's, it's pretty, pretty awesome to see. So they have this platform, it's, it's like a blank slate and you know, it comes in three different colors or the standard color is silver. Every bike is silver and we, we changed that before we were selling silver and black. But um, but I kind of came up with the idea of that every bike should just be. The standard silver color. And then if you want to change the color panels, because the panels are removable, there's five panels on there, there's five silver panels, and you can buy cosmic gold, which is kind of this dark brown bronzes gold color or black uh, and they're anodized panels or metal aluminum panels. And you could replace'em, swap 'em out. You could change your colors within, you know, 20, 30 minutes. You can have a completely different looking bike. Right. Then people go into wrap 'em and, um, do things like that. So, uh, yeah, it's, uh, it's super customizable from, from just even just a appearance and cosmetic standpoint.

Chris Brandt: 37:07

Yeah, I could imagine, you know, like man having a UV printer and, and like those panels and going to town and making some wild stuff.

Tim Seward: 37:14

Some of the cooler ones that I really like are when people take clear plexiglass and, you know, get maybe like kind of a neon green or a neon yellow. So you could see through it. Just like a computer case. Yeah. And then they'll put lighting in there and then they'll tidy up all the wiring and the harness to make it actually look, you know, aesthetically pleasing. Um, I even. Um, not on the 80 volt, but on the previous model I even did a PC water cooling system on my controller. I figured out how to water cool my controller. It was more for fun aesthetics. Yeah. Yeah. It wasn't really like doing a huge, making a huge difference, but it looked cool. Right. And it's the same idea. I was just trying to make something different and, um, see if it was possible.

Chris Brandt: 38:02

I mean, obviously one of the things that this could lend itself to is, is, is taking advantage of, um, the customizability of this and, and building like a custom parts shop. You know, like, kind of like you, like a physical app store, I guess an app store, right? Sort of a, a, a software version of a regular store. So I'm not sure what a. F regular store version of an app store is, but Yeah, but I mean, like, but you, are you, is that something that you have in mind to like build out yourself or?

Tim Seward: 38:32

Well, we have, we have it. A bike shop right now, I mean a physical location where people, local people to the LA county and, you know, and beyond, if they want to drive out here, um, can bring their bike in and we will customize their bike to their liking. So we actually get a lot of people bring their bike in with a bunch of parts and they said, can you, can you build this bike for me, this vision? So, um. So a good number of the bike builds that the custom builds, at least locally, um, are coming out of our shop, uh, is from a parts, you know, we don't, we don't build or carry all of the custom parts. So I think a lot of those are gonna come from, you know, people who have been doing it for a long time, like steady garage. Uh, but we do have, you know, a good list of accessories that, um, that we're, that are in development that, that will be available from us directly. But, uh, as far as like the high performance accessories, that's hard. It's, it's kind of like the computer industry. It's hard to keep up with that. So we'll let, we'll let the people who really wanna focus on that, um, just keep owning that. And then, um, you know, if a customer wants to install it, we'll, we'll definitely install it for 'em.

Chris Brandt: 39:44

Yeah, I mean, I think, I think uh, supporting your third party community and ecosystem is mm-hmm. Is really important for, you know, something like this. But it's nice to have some like, you know, like I can order the bike in like these 10 parts.

Tim Seward: 39:57

Right.

Chris Brandt: 39:58

Of all the bikes that you've seen, like what are the, what are the really, you know, you mentioned some of the plexiglass ones, like what are your favorite mods? I mean, 'cause I, looking on your site, you've got kind of a gallery there of like all the different. You know, bikes that people have put together, or I shouldn't call them bikes, but vehicles that people have put together. What, what are your fav, what's your favorite?

Tim Seward: 40:16

For me, it's kind of funny, people kind of. Always kind of joke around about this. Like, for me personally, like the mod is actually the, the bike that I built, right? So, so I love seeing everybody build their own version of the bike. Um, I think my favorite ones would be the ones that are more retro inspired, so the people who, you know, put themes behind 'em and, and do some cool, like, you know. Just like nod back to the eighties or nineties. And one of my favorite ones is the back. It's not of the 80 volt, but I know that they're planning on building one. It's, um, a back to the future inspired one. So it has all these really cool lights on it and it, and it really does feel like, uh, the back to the future. I think he used, uh, the same for the seat. Texture. He used the same kind of like iridescent jacket that was worn in, I think back to the feature two and put it on there. And then from a graphic standpoint, he used the graphics from the hoverboard, the skateboard. Yeah. On the, on the bike. So just, it's just really cool stuff like that. I, I love seeing bikes that have a little bit knot to nostalgia, because that's actually where the bike and the brand the branding comes from is, you know, looking at like the eighties and nineties and the, um. You know, the cool, the cool, uh, movies and, and uh, products and things that were coming out of there, that's where it really like a lot of the inspiration comes from. So when people do that, um, but I am planning on customizing my bike to be as well, sort of, uh, inspired by the, the eighties and 90 and, and late or somewhere like the late nineties early, sorry, the late eighties, early nineties where when there was a neon color was really the. The, the popular thing. So,

Chris Brandt: 42:02

and

Tim Seward: 42:02

popular

Chris Brandt: 42:03

again, interestingly.

Tim Seward: 42:04

Yeah. Right.

Chris Brandt: 42:05

What's old as

Tim Seward: 42:06

it, yeah. Then yeah, the nineties, uh, I have a theory about that, but the nineties are definitely back, but I remember when I was in high school, right? It was the sixties, and if you look at the time, the timeframe, it's about the exact same timeframe, and so I believe kind of every, every generation looks 20, 30 years back and they're, they're kind of inspired and enthralled by. A decade that they weren't actually alive in. So I think that that, um, so yeah, the nineties are definitely back and, uh, one of my bikes is gonna totally speak to the early nineties.

Chris Brandt: 42:40

I, I think it's cool 'cause it's like, you know, the, these are kind of, um, the. These are vehicles that give you freedom. You know, like the ability to travel and go, you know, somewhere with ease. And the, the fact that they're becoming a a, a vehicle for personal expression too, I think is, is super fun.

Tim Seward: 42:59

The expression that people have, it's, it, uh, you can see it in all of their builds and, um, everybody's, like I said, everyone has a unique build and it's, it's quite, quite amazing to see. So, um, we look. You know, we look to sponsor and help people out and feature their bikes as they build them. Um. So you'll see more of 'em definitely this, this spring and summer, which is gonna be awesome.

Chris Brandt: 43:24

This market is kind of a, a big growing market, right? I mean, uh, the market's projected to hit, I'm just looking here.$245 billion. Um, by 2033, which, you know, for the personal, you know, personal electric vehicle, the PEV kind of market, um, you know, like, what do you like one, what do you see that's driving that growth? And, and two, how do you see that impacting what you're doing?

Tim Seward: 43:50

Just going to other countries, right? To see the vehicles that people use predominantly. And it's predominantly two wheeled vehicles. It's just like I was saying earlier, it's very efficient. It's faster to get to and from where you're going. Um, it's more economical and especially with electric, right? So gas prices obviously are rising. They're always gonna be rising. Electricity obviously is gonna arise too, but to give you an. Perspective, and we're just playing around with the math to charge at a public charger. Um, you could go, uh, for$5, you can go 170 miles. I mean, I don't know a car that can, that's, that's runs on gas where you can spend five bucks and go 175 miles. I think that's, uh, that's just unheard of. So that's a pretty awesome win. And that's public chargers. If you were to charge at your house. You could do that for less than a dollar. Yeah. You could do 175 miles for 75 cents. And that's just amazing. Right? I mean, so, so the, the fact that, you know, the Americans haven't really figured that out is kind of crazy. But I think more and more people are the younger generation also. Um, you see it a lot of, a lot of younger kids are really getting into electric vehicles. Electric bikes and while um, it might be a little chaotic'cause they're young and they probably should be of age. I mean they should definitely be of age riding. Yeah. These vehicles, we don't sell to kids that, which we don't really believe in that we don't subscribe it. There are other brands that do, but um, but I do see the future where. These younger kids are gonna, you know, grow up and mature and they're going to want to ride electric vehicles or that's the, what they're familiar with and, uh, they love 'em. Right? And so, um, there's a whole generation of, you know, millions of kids that are gonna be into two wheeled vehicles and not so much wanting to buy a car. Right? Yeah. A car has, it's just, if you do the math, a car is just. It's so much more expensive every year.

Chris Brandt: 45:56

Yeah.

Tim Seward: 45:56

You know, 'cause people talk about, oh, I could buy a $5,000, you know, used vehicle or a used car. But then you gotta add in insurance. You gotta add in maintenance. And if you did the annual cost, you're probably spending that five, $5,000 a year. Or more

Chris Brandt: 46:15

Yeah,

Tim Seward: 46:15

just to keep the car on the road, whereas, I don't know, our, our vehicle probably cost maybe a couple hundred dollars to keep it on the road. Yeah. A year. So it's a huge difference.

Chris Brandt: 46:27

Well, and and I think, you know, some of the numbers that are, are bearing that out too. I mean, I, I see like Gen Z drivers licenses are down 40% from where, right. A similar age group was in the nineties. Right. I mean, so I don't think they're, I don't think, and I've noticed that with my kids. So like, I don't think there's eager to like jump into, you know, owning a car. And I think that this, the, this, this. Ride share and sort of that gig economy world that we live in now has kind of changed their perception of like what it means to own a car and whether they even want to own a car. Right, right. You know, so like if you're, if you're not owning a big vehicle, you know, like having something that you can just kind of grab and go, you know, the short distances, which are 90% of your travel probably anyways. Right. And, and leveraging, you know, some sort of ride share or, or shared vehicle kind of, you know, concept. Mm-hmm. It seems to fit into this new lifestyle that we're, we're slowly starting to build up for these kids. Right.

Tim Seward: 47:26

It's already happened in other countries, like, let's say, you know, just like I noticed in Italy, there's a bunch of teenagers riding around, um, and Vespas and stuff, and of course. You know, the, the laws and everything there are more strict, so everybody's doing it legally. I think that's the, the challenge that we have right now is that we're seeing a shift happening, but the regulations and the laws and the parents and everything have not really, like, don't really know how to deal with it. The simple answer is just let you know the kid has to be 16. And they need to take a motorcycle safety course and they get their, they can get their M two, which allows 'em to ride an electric vehicle, which doesn't have a clutch. And uh, and then they'll be fine, right? And they can, they can ride their vehicle around safely and legally. Um, that I think that for the past couple years, people just didn't really. I think that, that they, that they needed to do that because it was electric, as if somehow it was different. Yeah. It's just, just, just 'cause it's cheaper to operate and it's quiet. Doesn't make it, um, you know, exempt from, from the laws that we have. Right. Or

Chris Brandt: 48:37

safety.

Tim Seward: 48:38

Right. Or safety. Yeah. Yeah.

Chris Brandt: 48:39

So, I mean, you know, you mentioned regulatory aspect of it, and I know like, you're kind of, you're, you're too fast for bike lines, too slow for the highway, you know, so you kind of fit in a. A different place, um, like you, and I know you built some tech into the, into the vehicles to help with that too. I mean, could you speak to like, you know, how, how you're approaching that regulatory issue?

Tim Seward: 49:02

It's just like, um, uh, a moped, right? So, um, unfortunately, they, we don't, people don't sell the gas versions of those. And that, that idea of a moped, is it, you know. Gone from people's minds. So the best way to say it's a light motorcycle. Um, and again, that those usually are just dirt bikes, right? Um, there isn't really, hasn't been a gas category of a light motorcycle like they used to in the sixties, seventies, eighties, nineties. Right? That's sort of a fallen out fashion. Uh, mainly because, you know, the, the regulations had kind of. Crack down and made people get licenses before they were, you know, you, you could ride them if they're 50 cc, uh, you could ride them without a license or something. But at the, at the moment, um, it really comes around the ease of use and, and being able to commute with the product, right? So, um, if it's a big motorcycle or a large motorcycle, full size motorcycle. There's actually, um, from a commuting standpoint, there's some issues with that, right? So for example, like when I had, um, when I lived in San Francisco and I was riding a motorcycle around to commute, um, if I didn't get to the motorcycle parking in downtown soon enough, uh, which means I had to get there pretty early, a lot earlier than I needed to be there for work. I wouldn't be able to find parking for my motorcycle. Which is insane, right? Like to think like there's nowhere for me to park a motorcycle, which all the motorcycle parking would be taken up. Yeah.

Chris Brandt: 50:32

For anybody who's not ridden a motorcycle in a city, you know, you can park in the same spots as as vehicles, but they're gonna just like. Budge their way in there. Exactly. They're gonna And then you get the ticket.

Tim Seward: 50:42

Yeah.

Chris Brandt: 50:43

Or they knock your bike over.

Tim Seward: 50:44

Exactly. Yeah. Exactly. So they'll hit your, they'll hit your bike, or then the meter made will say that you're parked incorrectly.'cause you're parked in between cars or something. Right. So

Chris Brandt: 50:53

even though you were

Tim Seward: 50:53

there first. Yeah. So, um, what I found is that in the moped form factor. Um, you can actually legally park like our bike. You can legally park it on the sidewalk and, you know, chain it up to a pole or a bike rack and you won't get a ticket. Um, because it, it, it ha it falls under a different class of vehicle. Whereas if it was a full sized motorcycle and you put that on the sidewalk, you're certainly getting a ticket. And so the parking becomes endless. For our vehicle. Yeah. And, and that is one of, that's another huge reason that also the fact that it's electric. A lot of people. And you hear this, even today, people can roll their bike into an elevator, bring it up to their office and park it right next to their desk.

Chris Brandt: 51:37

And don't you have a feature where you can kind of lock down the speed?

Tim Seward: 51:41

There's different modes, um, but the generally, um, it comes, it comes locked right now. Um, because not, you know, we don't know if, like, we're not a, we're not a dealership, so we don't know if the person, you know, has a driver, uh, a license, right? So it comes locked and then it's up to that user to be able to. Two, um, one, they have to unlock it, and then two, they have to properly, you know, get all the right, uh, you know, paperwork for their, for their vehicle in their, in their state. And it's different for everyone. So for example, like in New York, um, for a moped, the top speed is 40 miles there. But in. Certain cities in the US it's, or sorry, in California it's 30 miles an hour. Right? So, um, and it can be faster in San Francisco, I think it's like 35 or something, but it's, it, it's, it's variance. So we can't make a vehicle for every single configuration. Um, but uh, we do have different modes so you can go into different speed modes. Um, and I think, I think. So like our normal mode is set to 40, right? So for like New York and those states, they can, they can lock it in at 40. But generally if you want to go faster, you would wanna register it as a motorcycle. And then that way ing. That way you can keep it at whatever speed you want. You still can't get on the freeway with it 'cause it's not technically powerful enough or fast enough.

Chris Brandt: 53:07

When I was at South by Southwest, that scooter get our Armageddon, you know, year there was like so many of those bird scooters zipping down the highway, which was, I mean it was, it was a free for all back then that was,

Tim Seward: 53:22

people will do. Crazy things. Even it do crazy things, even in their Porsche, right? They'll, they'll go 200 miles an hour. Um, the vehicle's capable of doing it. Um, so, uh, you, yeah, because you can, doesn't mean you should. Exactly. I would recommend motorcycle plating. Um, some people do moped plating. Um, but if you want to, if you want to travel 45, 50 miles an hour in those zones. Uh, you would want it to register as a motorcycle.

Chris Brandt: 53:50

Where do you think this is gonna go next?

Tim Seward: 53:52

We're gonna keep offering high powered, uh, fun to ride, uh, motorcycles that, that get you in mopeds, that get you, you know. Like 40 to 60 miles, um, of actually having a blast doing it, right? Because you could go a hundred miles on our bike, but you'd be going 20, 25 miles an hour, which isn't really that fun for most people. So in reality, once you start to go faster, obviously you lose your range. But going 40 miles on our bike is a good, you know, hour of riding. Um, and. Honestly, like when you're sitting on a bike, that, that is, that is plenty. Right. Especially like going through traffic. You're, you're, you're ready to take a break and that's when you can charge it up, you know, go get lunch. You could charge it at a charge point or charge it at your work and then it's,

Chris Brandt: 54:41

or pull one of those spare batteries out.

Tim Seward: 54:43

Yeah, exactly. Plug

Chris Brandt: 54:44

it in.

Tim Seward: 54:44

So it's, it's, um. It for us, it's, it's just a, we're gonna keep offering vehicles that, that get people to where they want to go quicker than a car and having a blast doing it. That's, that's really our, our mission. And then we also, um, are gonna keep growing our community and offering vehicles where everyone can ride together and, um, nobody feels left out. So that's like our mission is to, to offer vehicles. Even whatever form factor it is, they can all ride together.

Chris Brandt: 55:17

So you, you're gonna create the Onyx gang? Is it gonna be like

Tim Seward: 55:20

uh, exactly.

Chris Brandt: 55:20

Patches and, and leather jackets for that?

Tim Seward: 55:23

We've always talked about it or tried to do it, but I think, uh, I'll just let that happen naturally if it does. Uh, yeah. But at the, yeah, for us it's just, uh. Getting everybody who rides electric vehicles, not just our brands, but everybody together to go out and have fun.

Chris Brandt: 55:39

That, that's a great mission. And so like if, if somebody wanted to get one of these, where should they go?

Tim Seward: 55:44

Onyx motor motors.com. So, uh, that's our website, onyx motors.com. And then you can also check us out on Onyx Motors at um. Uh, on Instagram and also on Facebook. But if you wanted to, to purchase one, you'd wanna go to onyx motors.com and you can, you can select between our street version or dual sport version, and then there's two different sizes for each. So you have, uh, quite a few options. And then as far as colors, you can choose silver, cosmic gold, or uh, space black.

Chris Brandt: 56:17

And you guys should sell, uh, spray paint too, or powder coating machines.

Tim Seward: 56:21

Well, a lot of people, a lot of people wrap their, their panels to do any custom color that they want.

Chris Brandt: 56:27

Yeah. Wrappings easy.

Tim Seward: 56:28

Yeah. Yeah.

Chris Brandt: 56:29

Well, you know, or the other thing, you know, have you thought about selling just blank panels? Just like unfinished panels?

Tim Seward: 56:33

Well, the silver technically is, it's raw, it's kind, it's, it's a raw aluminum essentially. So

Chris Brandt: 56:38

rough it up a little bit and starts start painting.

Tim Seward: 56:41

It comes, it comes already bead blasted, so it's ready for paint.

Chris Brandt: 56:44

And then you mentioned also Steady Garage, that was another one. Where are they at?

Tim Seward: 56:48

Uh, let's see here. Steady garage.com. Yeah, they're actively making a, uh, a tab for just the Onyx, but right, right now there's a video on YouTube. Uh, if you look up Onyx and Steady Garage. There's a custom build that we did with them, and there's a whole list of all the parts that were used on that bike, and it will give you the direct links, but they're actively making it so that it's a lot easier to find. Because right now I think if you go there and you type in Onyx, it's, you won't get every single part that fits. But you can, you can, uh. You can call them up too, and they'll just tell you

Chris Brandt: 57:23

if you're looking for a way to express yourself, your personality and, and have a vehicle that is gonna get you around, um, it, it sounds like this is the place to go.

Tim Seward: 57:33

Yes, definitely.

Chris Brandt: 57:34

I think this sounds super fun. I love the idea, I love the DIY. Aspect of it. That's such a, such a big part of culture these days. And I, I think if you, if, if you, if you get that ecosystem to like, kind of hit that critical density, it's gonna be really, really exciting to see what everybody puts together and how they rearrange everything. Um, very cool, very cool product and company and brand, you know, direction for you guys. So

Tim Seward: 58:01

thank you. Thank you.

Chris Brandt: 58:02

Yeah. And, and, and I really appreciate you being on. Thanks so much for your time and, uh, sharing the onyx, uh, motorcycle. I guess. I motorcycle bike. Um, and uh, thanks so much for being on. I really appreciate it.

Tim Seward: 58:16

Yes, thank you. It was great.